Again: Important reading

Rightful Liberty: The Utility of Violence

Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add ‘within the limits of the law’ because law is often but the tyrant’s will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual.”

Thomas Jefferson

The utility/use of violence: this is something that really needs to be addressed. When I write posts such as yesterday’s ‘Rightful Liberty and ‘Standing Up’’ there is always a question raised about the use of violence. Of course, on my site and forum I am always, as many do, jumping on that. Why? Because I don’t want the Feds kicking down my door and arresting me for advocating ‘terrorist threats’ or whatever. Bait the tiger, don’t give it a reason.

Here is the header on the MVT FORUM,  which delineates what is and is not acceptable to talk about:

MVT Forum: A Tactical Forum for the Armed Citizen.

Vision: to provide a forum for the constructive discussion of all matters tactical and related. To do this while remaining free from dogma, or falling into narrow thinking. An open minded and constructive approach.

Intent: to educate civilians in the correct ways to conduct tactics, and hence increase the survivability and effectiveness of such civilians when facing tactical threats.

To avoid: narrow thinking, civil disorder against legitimate government, terrorist threats, and radical political agendas. All crazy far out theories, whether true or not! Legitimacy is imperative. Acceptable: discussions on Liberty and threats to it, societal collapse, and fighting potential enemies foreign or domestic. Resistance to threats of tyranny, foreign invasion or the like.

MVT supports Rightful Liberty: “Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add ‘within the limits of the law’ because law is often but the tyrant’s will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual.” Thomas Jefferson

The use of violence merits a sensible discourse. I’m not talking about making threats, I’m talking about discussing it, because everyone wants to, but won’t, and in many cases are prevented from doing so by policies such as mine.

So, bottom line up front (BLUF), if you like:

1) I am a tactical trainer running a tactical training school, and publishing manuals/novels, all of which deal with the use of violence. That is what tactics is/are.

2) The techniques that I teach are applicable from self-defense situations in current times all the way through the scale to infantry/unconventional warfare operations in a resistance environment, or defense in an SHTF/collapse situation. Many tactics and techniques are not applicable today, but are trained in preparation for potential threats in the future.

3) If you threaten violence/civil disorder then you put yourself on an arrest list. This would be the case either with a legitimate or a tyrannical government. Clearly more so on the tyrannical end of the scale, where there is no/limited free speech and many things can be determined to be a threat. ‘Hate Speech’ anyone?

4) Despite good folks of the Patriotic kind now being labelled as ‘domestic terrorists’ (which is pure mislabeling), I have absolutely no time for actual terrorists. What do I mean by this? I mean that in a situation of resistance warfare with either a tyrannical government or an invading enemy, then I support use of violence against what I consider legitimate targets. Legitimate to me includes military or enforcement personnel, including support personnel and administrators. It particularly includes the bureaucracy and logistics of the enemy. These are all designated combatants. It does not include ‘innocents’ i.e. families of combatants or other innocents. I don’t care if they are killing ours, you need to maintain a moral standard that you will inherit after victory is achieved. I don’t condone the use of terrorist tactics, which is the targeting of public places and bystanders in order to simply generate fear. Think market place bombings. I will not say ‘women and children’ are innocent but I will say children. I will say women, and men, when they are in fact innocent. I will say that ‘wimmin’ are legitimate targets if they are part of the enemy bureaucracy or other combatant arms. There is no place for false chivalry here. Equality of the sexes means just that. Some wimmin are the worst enforcers of Statism – think IRS!

5) The above point (4) is in effect a crude outline rule of engagement for Resistance forces.

But of course none of the above is what we really want to talk about, is it?

The real subject is when violence is legitimate in the face of tyranny, and when it is wise, or effective.

I have never advocated violence, and I still will not (see the first paragraph!). However, I will tell you that I have absolutely no doubt that violence will become necessary, or unavoidable, at some point. You cannot expect to overthrow tyranny, or restore rightful liberty, without the leviathan objecting. Objecting with extreme violence. So I have no doubt that it will come to violence.

I just don’t want:

1) To be involved in terrorist acts.

2) To start it.

So it is really a case of strategy, of timing. It is really a case of waiting for the leviathan to act, and acting counter to the violence.

However, I am not really sure about the whole ‘awakening’ of the sheeple and hearts and minds thing. I think that the rightful liberty movement will never get through to the bulk of the sheeple. I also don’t think there is any way to vote our way out of tyranny. Or tax strike etc. I think that when festivities begin, it will be a case of acting despite the sheeple. They are just the sea in which the resistance swims. I think the vast majority of fat lazy useless sheeple will just need to be dragged kicking and screaming back to reality. This is either going to happen as part of the slide to tyranny, when the resistance starts fighting back against overt tyrannous acts, or as part of the collapse, when it will all go down the toilet. A collapse may or may not happen, depending on events.

I have recently begun to wonder if a collapse is our only way out of this – to try to survive the massive die-off and try to bring rightful liberty back in the aftermath. If you survive. It is a terrible thing to wish for, and thus be careful. And who knows, in the wake of a collapse, who would take control? Tyrannical government, local warlords, foreign invaders? Maybe rightful liberty would not emerge? Be careful what you wish for. But collapse may be coming anyway. Chinese cyber attack anyone?

Some people talk about violence but haven’t really thought it through. Many seemed to want to provoke violence at Bundy Ranch. And then what? Do you think it would be like showing up with your musket at Lexington Green, firing a few volleys,  and then going home to the farm? You have no concept. Once you go live, you go live forever, and if sufficient others do not rise up with you you will be fighting till you are killed. In the case of violence against leviathan, if you are going to be a bear, you need to be a grizzly, and you need to expect to die.

I have been asked what I would have done at Bundy Ranch. It would not have been what actually did happen. However, I tell people this: if your force went live and wiped out some BLM contract mercenaries, then what happens next? But it was justified right, the court system will sort it out. Maybe the Sheriff? Yeah. Nope. You better hope you have plenty of ammo and get back in those vehicles and pick your next target, and be prepared to fight till you drop. And of course, that may be what you do, if it comes to it. Just expect to die. That, of course, may be the hand you are dealt. It may be a good day to die.

There are two examples of recent lone wolf shooters. Dorner and Frein. I have no idea whether either of them are ‘one of us’ or not. Apparently Dorner wasn’t and probably not Frein. But the bottom line is, we don’t really know. Because we don’t believe or trust the MSM. That’s what happens when the media becomes a propaganda arm of the state. Apparently Frein murdered a State Trooper. Probably. Was he justified in any way? We don’t know. He may just be a nut job. But maybe he isn’t. We just don’t know. But I find it interesting that no one is talking about him in the blogosphere. Dorner was burned to death in a cabin after making LAPD panic. Frein is still at large, making about 1000 State Troopers look like a fat-ass incompetent joke. The point here, there needs to be an AAR on Frein, because whatever the reason for it, any one of you could find yourselves alone and on the run from the leviathan. Maybe that cop raped your wife, punched her in a unlawful traffic stop, or broke her face on a concrete bench in a cell?  The MSM won’t report that, but he would need to die all the same. Blood feud. But you will be a nut job survivalist, with goat porn on your computer, and an arsenal of guns. You can bet on that.

I’ll say this: Frein is either on a beach in Mexico, or he will be killed if he is still out there. But it makes no sense to me that if he was determined to be a ‘Serbian Sniper’ in his crazy gun nut mind, why he has not set further ambushes/sniping in the woods? There has been nothing more after to initial killing. Odd.

However: “An attack on the police is an attack on the authority of the state”. Think about that statement in relation to the Frein case. Wow. The people are sovereign in this Constitutional Republic. At least, they are supposed to be. Does that statement now make me a ‘sovereign citizen’ and now on the SPLC hate list? Fuck them.

It is evident to me that under normal circumstances you should have no reason for recourse to violence. Even despite the wrongs of our current police state, if you are confronted by a polite officer for a clear infringement of the current rules, then you should just play along. Yes officer, I was speeding. Thanks for the ticket. Now fuck off. Many of them are ‘just doing their job.’ I know, that may be wrong, but they may not know better, It’s a similar thing with some of the criticisms I see of the military. Many joined for what they consider the right reason, but don’t know they are wrong. So we play the little game at the traffic stop. Here’s my ID officer. Yes sir, no sir, three bags full. Thanks very much for the ticket, have a nice day. Fuck you. Because under those circumstances it is not the right time or place to do anything, let alone violence.

So ordinarily, we must resist peacefully, and move towards rightful liberty by some means of peaceful protest. However, we must also never allow ourselves to be pushed around or bullied by the leviathan. That is a scary thought. It is supposed to be. The state designs itself to have the monopoly of violence. It is not supposed to be so in the Constitutional Republic, but it has become so in the current regime.

In fact the current regime has absolutely no legitimacy and is an unlawful form of government. Here is a great article that I came across at the Sultan Knish blog, if you want a chuckle: ‘The Man Who Knew Nothing.‘ (It’s about the criminal imbecile).

So it is critical that Patriots posses the means of violence, the training, the organization, in order to create a credible threat of resistance to tyranny. If gang-banger assholes can make neighborhoods no-go, then Patriots can too. Come respectfully and in peace and you will be allowed to perform your duties, under the gaze of We The People. It is ridiculous BS to state that the regime has an army, and tanks, and drones and all that – so resistance is futile. SO WHAT? Tell me how that ridiculous MRAP driving up and down on the road in PA, with the fat State Troopers all clean in their tactical gear walking by the crash barriers, helped to find Eric Frein?

This is the way I see it:

1) We resist peacefully, for the cause of Rightful Liberty.

2) We prepare tactically and logistically for the collapse that the illegitimate regime is driving us towards.

3) If confronted by unlawful violence, we will resist by force of arms. Never let yourself be pushed around.

After all, imagine the effect of multiple teams of trained and supplied Patriots taking to the woods around the country. Imagine how that would paralyze the goons who acted as they did over Dorner and Frein. There should be no more talk of all this dying on your doorstep to protect your family. That is ‘retreat sniper’ stuff. Get trained and organized and take back the power of Rightful Liberty to the People.

This is, after all, the United States of America and these rights are self evident, codified in the Constitution and Bill of Rights. Anyone who says otherwise is a traitor.

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, –That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.–Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

Declaration of Independence

So, to conclude:

Walk softly, but carry a big stick.


Because fuck tyranny, that’s why.

(Disclaimer: MVT does not advocate violence towards anyone, unless in defense of life, liberty and property).


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